With the Captains suffering casualties and heavy injuries on their side, all hope seemed to be lost... until Shinji Hirako appeared, along with the rest of the former Shinigami. Though the aid of the Vizards certainly helped to draw the battle in their favor, it seemed Aizen's power alone proved too much for them.
Post by Shinigami Kyra on Aug 11, 2009 16:14:07 GMT -5
Alrighty; I'm sure a million of you have just been ITCHING for all those seating charts to be unlocked so you can move your character up in ranks. However, I feel there should be a better determination to the seating chart than simply throwing up a 'I want it!' then getting it.
Thus, I'm opening the floor to suggestions. One in particular that I like, is Captains, or Vice Captains giving the okay, as well as moderator/staff approval. Certainly, it should depend upon the character him or herself, as well as the player's current status on the board. I'm not saying someone who posts everyday will likely become a Captain someday, but someone who involves themselves in story lines that aren't just centered around their character, or who have developed their character in various posts with other players... those are the types of characters that truly deserve to grow on this board. At least, that's what I feel.
Due to some inactivity with some players due to leave of absences and the like, I suggested Vice Captains as well for biding positions. Any Captain or Vice Captain position available should be given out by the staff alone. Of course, that shouldn't stop anyone from applying, but then again, we may run into the problem with seventeen people apping for a Captain's seat, or the like.
Personally, I really don't care much for the seating chart, but since good ol'e Hikaru decided to throw this little shin-dig on mah shoulders, I felt it would be best to discuss it with everyone here, and hear their input. Ranks should really be all mattered in my opinion. I mean, what's really the difference? Sure, some characters higher up in rank should be stronger than those ranked lower than them... but then, you have special cases every now and then with canons being as strong as Captains, or Rukia being probably a Lieutenant Level... where as, some third seat schmuck can't even take down a Menos Grande (WEAKLING!).
For Espada, it would probably be the same deal; staff approval and such for numbers. Though I really think the only thing the seating chart should normally be used for is story lines (Captains and Vice helping to move stories along, and helping to lead certain groups through stories), I also understand that there are just people who want their characters to shine in such positions, proving to themselves that they can improve, and so forth.
As such, I'll open the floor. You've heard my opinions, so I'd like to hear yours.
I love the idea Kyra; however, there are a few things that I would like to add, more for the purpose of the RP and character building as opposed to player analysis.
Trials:
Once of player/character have been approved by both captain/vice and staff. I would like to suggest a thread in which both captain and vice-captain are present.
Within that trial, characters are tested in areas that their particular division excels in. Like the 2nd, (which seems to be rather popular,) in the area of stealth and cunning.
Should the writing style and performance be profficient in the captain's and vice's eyes, they should receive their seat. Afterall, it's hard to really tell the profiency of a writer/character unless their realy put on the spot.
In the area which a person attempts to take someone's seat. I would suggest not a duel, but moreso a competittion. Of course, in squads like 11, a competittion would be a duel, but for other squads it would be different.
Post by Shinigami Kyra on Aug 11, 2009 17:27:06 GMT -5
See, I did bring up a similar idea to this, but mostly for higher-up ranked members. Some people simply didn't like it due to the fact that they just wanted the seat, but I for one, love the idea.
Post by Rebel Raven on Aug 11, 2009 18:27:24 GMT -5
Ideally,I think the captains, or the VC of each squad should control the seating arrangements completely. Keeps work off any one person's shoulders.
They can handle it however. IC trials, or preferrences.
Each squad gets a thread in the seatings where people can apply for a seat or for the squad or apply for transfers, or captains or VCs can request people from squads for theirs, and stuff.
The Captain, or VC is responsible for these threads. IF there is no captain, or VC played, then, well, I dunno. We can have a staff meeting or sumfin.
The same should work for Espada. The Espada controls fraccion seatings. If there's no Espada, then, well, anrachy, and the way Las Noches works, the strongest is usually an Espada so let them slug it out or something.
I agree with Raven. I think trials should be strongly suggested but not required. Giving responsibilities to Captains/VC would lay some stress of the staff and moderators. And it would give some power and responsibility to captains and VC, making it all worth getting to. The gotei 13 is more organized than the espada. Gin could perhaps step it up and make it organized, but the Espada seems more relyed on power rather than popularity and vote/trial. As Raven said, the Espada should control their own fraccion. It's their army and they need to take responsibility. I like how Kamair said they should be tested posting on the spot. It's one thing to post by yourself, but interacting with others is a big deal for RP. Posts will mostly involve others and not you just posting one long post and closing the thread.
For transfers, the captains or VCs of the two squads should meet, face to face. To discuss the change and why it is being made. The vizards are a bit diffrent. They should be more like Shinigami than arrancar. I think it should almost be the same as the Gotei 13 when it comes to how a posistion is selected. The exequias seem a bit dead so I don't think much should change there until they grow in numbers. Humans and Quincies seem to be fine not beign ranked, but if they seem to grow in number maybe a ranking system for them should be devoloped as well. A simple one at that. All this may require some staff work to pick out the initial leaders but after that the work shoudl be all on the chosen canidates. This would require the staff to pick leaders who would be responsible and likeable. This should not be run on popularity, but unbaised decision.
I've been with Raven on this issue for awhile now, but I don't think power ranking should be the main determining factor. For example, when asking "who the best Vice-Captain is", when you think about it - it's Nanao Ise, yes, she's not at all among the more powerful Vice-Captains, but she is a brilliant mind, delegator, and organizer keeping 8th Division running smoother than any of the other Divisions despite her Captain's laziness.
Then you look at the military in reality, what are typically the best officers? Usually they're not the best warriors, in certain cases they may be better than most, but more often than not they're not the best warriors but instead the best leaders and delegators, which is not synomous with being the most powerful warrior. And you see that reflected in the Gotei 13 some, too.
Largely, I think it should be dependent upon who fits those qualities best within their Division, while being chosen by their Captain or Vice-Captain for being recognized for such. Personally, what I plan to do with Byakuya is when someone is gunning for a position in his Division, I'll create a scene with them with Byakuya, and it will be a challenge - because he's not the type of guy to let just anyone hold a high-ranking Seat in his Division, so he'll be questioning them - what makes them worthy to hold that position they want within his Division.
You see evidence of it in Gotei 13 just like in the military, you don't just claim a position, your given it by a superior officer, who basically wants to see what makes you worthy. Because in the military being a good soldier isn't enough, there are tons of good soldiers in the military, but not all of them get promoted. Same in the Gotei 13, there are plenty of powerful warriors in the Gotei 13, it's implied such, but notice only a handful were chosen to obtain their positions, which means they have more qualities than merely being a powerful warrior. You see it in various scenes too, that the superior officers impart various teachings upon their subordinates to help them grow and become better warriors. So, it's not just power that dictates who has what position, but in fact character development and who can lead and delegate. Soifon's for the Onmitsukido is my absolute favorites:
"If you see your allies losing, that's your chance. Don't step between them. Take the enemy down from behind. And if the enemy is so strong you can't even do that, then just watch your ally be killed. That's what it means to be Onmitsukidô." - Soifon
So, to re-iterate everything, clearly there's more to it than simple POWAH and fighting, it's about what character development you can generate to the ongoing storyline with other characters and/or play a role of organization and delegation. However, naturally to do any of that kind of stuff you need to be an active player. So, that's how I think rankings should be determined.
I really like all of the ideas and points made here, I think choosing your Fraccio in the case of the Espada makes complete sense since that's actually how it works, and I would figure the Captains and Vice-Captains would have some say over the shinigami assigned to their respective squads.
And of course, as far a shinigami go, every member in a squad needs to fit in with the squad, so there won't be any medical shinigami hanging around with squad 11, or an oversized, potato chip eating ogre participating in the stealth missions of squad 2.
But I agree with most of the points made here, so I don't really have a lot to say
I really like all of the ideas and points made here, I think choosing your Fraccio in the case of the Espada makes complete sense since that's actually how it works, and I would figure the Captains and Vice-Captains would have some say over the shinigami assigned to their respective squads.
And of course, as far a shinigami go, every member in a squad needs to fit in with the squad, so there won't be any medical shinigami hanging around with squad 11, or an oversized, potato chip eating ogre participating in the stealth missions of squad 2.
But I agree with most of the points made here, so I don't really have a lot to say
*Points to Lieutenant of Squad 2
Anyway, I think that giving captains full responsibility would be best. They have to make their own threads, own tests, etc.
